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Post by Original Admin on Aug 17, 2004 22:49:57 GMT -5
Guys, I have tonight - after much deliberation - come to the conclusion that "large = small" There is no difference between the two "large and small". A universe is as small as quanta, which inturn is as large as creation. I havent yet managed to define large and small as words, because in this context the words arent quite correct. Also - the definition of the word "universe" needs re-defining - as does the word "nature". I'll get there. Pain of a problem for sure. Andy.
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Post by cookie3rocks on Aug 17, 2004 23:04:33 GMT -5
Andy, To some degree, we can measure small and large to weight and quantity. But all things are relavent to whoever or what ever is making the judgement call. Thanks for making your personal determination ;D
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Post by docone31 on Aug 17, 2004 23:04:49 GMT -5
Andy Life is indeed axiomatic. A wheel, round in appearance, is actually linear. Large=small, less is more. Welcome to the '60's, you can check out but you can never leave. How can you sit there, after creating one of the best forums on the net and rarely join us? In context of your proponderance have you considered it into an Haiku? It takes one out of the mundane and offers the fourth dimension. Good thought food, sure appreciate your forum.
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Post by cookie3rocks on Aug 17, 2004 23:07:49 GMT -5
Doc, I knew you were listening...
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Post by docone31 on Aug 17, 2004 23:57:53 GMT -5
Well, that is the point, listening. I think that is what Andy is making in essence. In his attempts to define universe, and natural, the limits of the spoken word and written word dramatically inhibits communication. Example, nature. when I think of nature, I think of Uel Gibbons, the naturalist. He died choking on some unknown natural food. So, the word stimulates a concept, the concept paints a picture, in response we retort and build a dual concept. Universe. It is the sum product of what we have learned, been told, been shown, perhaps even empirically investigated. Way back when, when we young upcoming I don't know, but here most of us are, We attempted to define the universe. Carl Sagen had just come up with googleplex, which is 10X10X10 or ten to the tenth tenth. Roughly, it is three zeros each on 100sheets of toilet paper. I have done it and it is a large number. Why I did it, I do not remember and that does not really matter. So in exploration of the universe, the question arose of whether we were atoms in a larger universe, and were atoms a component of our universe. How much space did each occupy, and what part did each participate in. Nature, "natural food" What is natural? If everything either manmade, or found isolated in "natural" state, is natural after the inception, then everything is natural. If every thing is natural, than what is natural. So then there is nature. When we think of nature, we think of pristine forests, untouched by man, seas, lakes, forests, mountain ranges, etc. However, if all things are, then it is. Is then becomes a complete statement. Whether it is created by creation, evolution, a manmade product, it is. Is. When everything Is, and actively being Is, then it is busy. If Is is Busy, it is a business. So a business becomes a statement of nature. If life in stasis is death, then it must be busy. Always forward, never backward. So everything is a business. So nature is a business. Both universe, and nature are so incomplete even when empirically proven. The greater the definition, the smaller the impact on definition of the word. The more it is defined, the less it applys. The less it is defined the greater the conceptual definition. Does that help?
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Post by docone31 on Aug 18, 2004 0:21:58 GMT -5
I did forget to add, one of the things we spent a great deal of time with was why zits smell like ball point ink? All a zit is is a pocket of trapped stearates and hormones, and abcess works its way through the epidermis by attacking the surrounding dermal layers. An abcess smells like sour onions, gangrene has a sweet sickly smell. Hah, define that! So why does a zit smell like a ball point pen? I had thought to colllect zit squeesings to centrifuge into defineable layers. I never measured the weight of zits, or catalogued the different types of zits. There seems to be lymphatic zits, folicle zits, pore zits.That is just three, I never thought to get into internal nose zits, or chalky seemingly cystic zits. Nature has a universe all its own. Perhaps we are really in the Matrix, and mental gymnastics really feed the machine with our synaptic szyergy. Maybe we are just a colloidal stew, as yet unformed, mental energy flowing one into the other. Perhpas I am as yet not typing, I am concieving typing and we are all one, yet as one undefined. If yesterday is a memory, tomorrow is a concept, perhaps now is. Is. It all Is. Phred Horowitcz was right. Perhaps we should all think of Phred.
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Post by BearCreekLapidary on Aug 18, 2004 0:57:23 GMT -5
Eeeeeuuuuuugggggggghhhhhhh! Smelling zits ... my God what have we come to? That is nasty
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Post by docone31 on Aug 18, 2004 8:05:38 GMT -5
I admit we have been under a lot of pressure lately. Two months ago we owned an house in Punta Gorda, a few days ago it blew away. I am so glad we sold it before the storm, and very concerned about the new owner. Yesterday, we just had a real estate agent blow a cash deal on an home and property. The seller took a lower offer. Our entire home is in our van, and we are recovering from LA, looking at properties with two cats who drive well but do not like it. We are living in an Hotel 6. Last night we had a dynamic thunderstorm, and the people who like JC Whitney intrusion alarms in their cars , every lightning flash a mess of alarms went off and the owners went to their cars, fixed the alarms, went back to their rooms, another flash, alarms, fix the alarms, on and on and on and on. We had some nurses from from an emergency something or other, whooping it up, breaking into the pool, streaking around the hotel. Our real estate agent who blew the cash deal took us to another home. This one was owned by a paranoid survivalist. The agent set off three zones of alarms in his home, one alarm at a time. We had to beg him to stop. The next level probably was explosive. Andy wrote a profound thought. I really like his writings, when he does write. Zits are cool too.
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llanago
fully equipped rock polisher
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Post by llanago on Aug 18, 2004 8:53:21 GMT -5
Doc, patience, my friend, patience. There is a reason for all this, just as there was a reason for your not so pleasant Ca trip. Just think, had you not gone to CA, you would still be homeless now and you would have not only have lost your home, but all your stuff. So, you are more fortunate than your former neighbors. When the right place for ya'll comes along, you will understand why the other deal fell through. Just wasn't meant to be. Be thankful, be patient and keep the faith because it will all work out for the best.
llana
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bschultz
starting to spend too much on rocks
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Post by bschultz on Aug 18, 2004 9:16:15 GMT -5
Llanas right Doc, your prior circumstances about moving to LA may have seemed trying at the time but actually worked out quite well in hindsight. I know it might seem like an unfortunate state of affairs right now, traveling with all your belongings in your van and having to live in a motel full of naked nurses and all, but things will get better. They always do.
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Post by rockyraccoon on Aug 18, 2004 10:02:37 GMT -5
so those small looking pre-pregnancy clothes are really too large for me - i like this thinking!
kim
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Post by docone31 on Aug 18, 2004 10:14:02 GMT -5
I agree, the move, the trip to LA., even our adventures in motel land. It all adds up. I would have stayed right into the eye. I know what it is to live with the aftermath of an hurricane. The heat, no water, everything is damp for weeks, the sheets, cloths, the insects get into everything. It has been an adventure. My wife is safe, our two Bengals are getting picky over food, the van runs like a swiss watch. I honestly think we have experienced a miracle. I ponder, why me? Why not. We went for the right reasons to LA., our children are in their '30's, our lives are at a threshold. It is exciting. The only things holding us back are our transition into this new life. My wife and I have spent two weeks living in a single hotel room across the nation. We are still happy with each other and look forward to establishing ourselves where we belong. As pastors we are encouraged. In some ways it is like a bankruptcy without loss, or leaving debt on others shoulders. We get to construct and apply what we have learned without burden to others. I will say however, some of the nurses were really hot, some definitely need a stairmaster and with the pressure they are under let them have a pressure release. Some of us here agree, let them have a pressure relief, the job they have to do, who cares. We hope their medical touch will make a difference in someone's life today. My hat is off to them, it takes real strength to do what they do.
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Post by hermatite on Aug 18, 2004 10:47:40 GMT -5
Re: Large = Small... Dear Andy, This comes as no surprise to me. It is, in fact, the same argument I've received from virtually every man I've ever gone out with. And come to think of it, it's the universal argument of all fishermen too.
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Post by Cher on Aug 18, 2004 11:58:05 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D That's good Hermatite LOL
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Post by sandsman1 on Aug 18, 2004 15:23:47 GMT -5
ok thats enuff man bashing hahaha if a guy tells ya its big you better believe him matter of fact im gonna show ya mine so anybody with a week heart close your eyes------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GOTCHA hahahaha now thats a bigun
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Post by cookie3rocks on Aug 18, 2004 15:44:12 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D So Sandman's got a big one, and the fish ain't too bad either cookie
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Post by docone31 on Aug 18, 2004 18:01:54 GMT -5
Look what Andy has done, we went from pure philosophy to ......talk. Large-small. Now I have figuired it out. Back in between wives, I ran a personal ad. Seeking emotionally fractured, co-dependant woman from a dysfunctional relationship seeking repition. My description was Moderate height, I am 6'6" conservative brown hair, my hair is almost 30", some college, 16yrs of grad school in four fields, size proportional to height. I got no replies. I guess the old adage is, well some people think, Rosana Rosana-Dana is speachless. I guess it is like a bag of Jujy Fruits, reach in and be suprised. You can lose a filling or two however. Just when you think you have it, some old wino comes up and bops you up side of the head. He says dummy. Great catch John. I bet it was great grilled. It looks like a drum? I bet you fought it for a while. What pound test?
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Post by sandsman1 on Aug 18, 2004 18:20:03 GMT -5
hey doc that was the highlite of my fishing life ,,it took allmost a half hr to get a gafe in him and it was on 17 lb test he weighed 71-lb it dont get any better,,---- well except for this one girl i went out with she was a gymnast hahahaha
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Post by docone31 on Aug 18, 2004 19:12:57 GMT -5
17lb. test. You da man!!! About 20yrs ago, I was with my stepfather. I should have drowned him, but, we were fishing for yellow tails. Getting some good ones, five, six lb. He was a commercial fisherman and we were handlining. I had a second pole, a medium spincast, with a Penn 740Z and 20 lb test. I cannot handline the way he wanted me to so I was bottom fishing. A kelp line went past the boat. If you know tropical waters you know what that means. My line was loose with a balloon as a float, way out. The balloon disappeared the line started singing. I grabbed the pole, dropped the bail, and set the hook. The water exploded! 35minutes later I landed a 73lb bull Dolphin. Not Flipper, the fish. I was one lb short of the state record. I went around the boat several times, the Dolphin tailwalked and about an hundred feet from the boat dropped its colours. I had to haul the Dolphin befoe the barracudas got him. 20lb test and manually hauling. I just made it. The fish was over six feet long. I have not really been offshore since but I remember that one. When my stepfather and I sold the catch, my bottom feeding outsold his exclusivity for yellow tail. He was furious! My Dolphin was half the dollar of my catch. Good for you for landing your big one. I bet he tasted good. The Dolphin, for the bambists or eco whatevers, is not the cetacean, it is a fish. A Pelagic species that schools and runs with tuna. It is yellow, green with dark green spots around its lateral line. It has gills, not lungs and is in no way endangered. It forms schools that are miles long and ranges the Gulf stream from the equator north, and the equator south.
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Post by hermatite on Aug 18, 2004 19:25:06 GMT -5
If I may...we did not digress from pure philosophy. Indeed when I think about my past relationships, being philosophical is all that keeps me from crying.
Hey sands...I'm so disappointed. I was hoping that was a rock bass (hahahahahahah rock bass...see what I did there? eh? EH? ahahahahahaha *snerk*...ahem...sorry)
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