NEW FOSSIL SKULL TURNS EVOLUTION ON IT'S HEAD

[Fossilman]

NEW FOSSIL SKULL TURNS EVOLUTION ON IT'S HEAD

Quote" A "1.8 Million" year old skull found in the Republic of Georgia" (Minus the millions of years)

From MSNBC:" Putting together the pieces of a "1.8 million-year-old" skull from the country of Georgia has led researchers to a surprising conclusion: Specimens that supposedly represent several early human species might be merely different-sized individuals from the same species.If the conclusion holds up, the skull discovery would require a major rewrite for the story of early human evolution.

Such species as Homo habilis and Homo rudolfensis, long a part of humanity's "bushy" family tree, could be folded into a wide-ranging species known as Homo erectus."**Homo Erectus (**Human that walks upright**) OF COURSE this is true because these supposed ancestors are all HUMAN. God CREATED man!

There is ZERO evidence for ape to man evolution, and discoveries like this continue to show us that. And once again, evolution is going to undergo another revision. Which one is this now? I lost count. Quote

[QuailRiver]

Evolutionists are just like the Man Made Global Warming crowd. No amount of evidence contrary to what they WANT to believe will ever be sufficient to change their minds.

[Mark K]

I respectfully disagree unless of course you meant to type in creationists instead of evolutionists.

[Mark K]

Arguing with creationists is like arguing with a pickle. No matter how fast the bicycle is going, you still want to eat that pizza.

[radio]

Feb 4, 2014 20:27:23 GMT -5 Mark K said:

Arguing with creationists is like arguing with a pickle. No matter how fast the bicycle is going, you still want to eat that pizza.

I remember a discussion like that a couple of years ago.  At one of the craft fairs we sold at, a guy stopped by and was looking at my work.  I was explaining what some of the stones were that i had set in silver and pointed out one of some really nice Dino Bone.  He looked like I had zapped him with a tazer and proceeded to tell me that all the Dino bones that have been found were "planted" by folks in order to attempt to add some credibility to their conspiracy of getting people to believe in Evolution Vs Creation.  I saw in short order that it was pointless to discuss the issue with him and he left fully convinced that I was one of the "Conspirators"

[free4rms]

<<There is ZERO evidence for ape to man evolution

I'm confused by this. Where did this idea about men evolving from apes come from? I have never heard of that.

[roy]

oh heck my family flew here millions of years ago

[Sabre52]

Hey, I'm with Vance on this one, hominids, apes, different branches of the tree. I'm a biologist and would never say man evolved from apes.

That being said, evolution is a theory, as is creationism. One theory is faith based and connected to a relatively new religion only about 2000 years old that replaced some religions much older, and one is based on ever changing science that replaces older scientific theories. As a guy living deep in bible belt creationist territory, I always say it's surely possible some entity ( God or whatever) created man, or the universe for that matter, but the science would seem to indicate man and Earth were created somewhat earlier than creationists think.

Who knows, in the distant future, if something like Scientology, ends up replacing Christianity like Christianity replaced many polytheistic religions, heck, maybe we'll be back to space aliens creating man. Religion, like science, is always in a state of flux with one religious brand or one scientific theory always replacing another over time. Like some folks say, a God is only as strong as the number of folks who believe in it. Same goes for science. Many would say science is, simply just another form of religion....Mel

[jollyrockhound]

Christianity is older than 2000 yrs ago;)

[nowyo]

I wouldn't say that finds such as this turns evolution on it's head; rather, it adds to our body of knowledge of the past. Fascinating stuff. I personally don't know how the whole thing started, I wasn't there. The thing about science is, as we learn more we sometimes find that what we thought was true really isn't. I've spent a fair amount of time around scientists and most of them have no problem saying, "I don''t know the answer to that". Never heard a creationist utter those words.

Russ

[grayfingers]

lol. . . settled science. . .lol

Yeah, I am not a Darwinian. However, I do believe that perfect creation = the ability to evolve within one's environment.

[Sabre52]

Jolly, *L* OK, I stand corrected. Since it is 2014 AD and Christianity began with Christ, Christianity is 2014 years old or a bit more. Though I imagine, that immediately after Christ's death, the believer pool was rather tiny and it was a very minor religion. I was talking ballpark figures. I said, "about" 2000 years old *L.....Mel

[Mark K]

Any good Christian would know that the religion did not start with the birth of Jesus.
Jesus was a Jew and he was Jewish. He practiced Judaism for the apx 35 years he was alive.
Christianity began after his death and probably did not actually take hold as anything other than "a few crazies wandering the desert" until well afterwards.

[Fossilman]

Christianity isn't a religion,its a belief.......We had a older lady in our area when we were young and living in Montana,she had her grandson and older granddaughter stay with her in the summer months.
We hung with her grandson and started telling him of the dino bones around the area,also took him down to our Uncles shop to show him fossils and dino bones,he loved it!
His sister found out about it and chewed our butts because she was taught that there were no dinosaurs,it was all lies and tales!
We even proved to her that it was all real,she still choose to not believe it!!! LOL
I'm a Christian with an open mind,we all have our beliefs and I usually honor them.......I just can't believe that certain people live in the world with such a closed mind that they choose to be uneducated!

[jamesp]

The Bible spells out creation in Genesis. It has a broad interpretation. As it is nebulous. Perhaps intentionally.

If you trace the genealogy from Adam to Chirst i think it is 6000 years. Add approximately 2000 years since Christ and it comes up 8000 years.

But the creation as described in Genesis was the 7 day thing. Interpretation of the length of the 'days' has been an issue.

One of those 'days' it says animals/beasts were created. It was a lot more than 8000 years since dinosaurs were created.

So again, interpretation of days comes to play. Tricky stuff.

[radio]

Feb 5, 2014 11:33:46 GMT -5 jamesp said:

The Bible spells out creation in Genesis. It has a broad interpretation. As it is nebulous. Perhaps intentionally.

If you trace the genealogy from Adam to Chirst i think it is 6000 years. Add approximately 2000 years since Christ and it comes up 8000 years.

But the creation as described in Genesis was the 7 day thing. Interpretation of the length of the 'days' has been an issue.

One of those 'days' it says animals/beasts were created. It was a lot more than 8000 years since dinosaurs were created.

So again, interpretation of days comes to play. Tricky stuff.

The person I had my conversation with was adamant that God DID NOT create any Dinosaurs!!!!!!!!!!  Technically, in one sense he is correct as the term "Dinosaur" was not coined until the mid 1800's.  The Bible does however speak of Dragons, Leviathans an Behemoths, so who is to say  it is not referring to Dinosaurs?  Much smarter folks than I have been pondering these things for ages, so I don't have an answer and I am not close minded enough to bury my head in the sand and deny the existence of things I know nothing of.

[jamesp]

The person I had my conversation with was adamant that God DID NOT create any Dinosaurs!!!!!!!!!! Technically, in one sense he is correct as the term "Dinosaur" was not coined until the mid 1800's. The Bible does however speak of Dragons, Leviathans an Behemoths, so who is to say it is not referring to Dinosaurs? Much smarter folks than I have been pondering these things for ages, so I don't have an answer and I am not close minded enough to bury my head in the sand and deny the existence of things I know nothing of.

Read more: forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/64151/fossil-skull-turns-evolution-head?page=2&scrollTo=725188#ixzz2sT9PTnoU

If you ever find out the answers please share.

[1dave]

Is there intelligence in the universe, or is it just chaos and happenstance?
Whichever you believe, it is by faith. There is no "proof" either way.

I accept the former and see no merit for the latter, but others apparently do.

The first five books of the Old Testament were written long after the creation by Moses for people that had been slaves for around 200 years.

IMO he kept it simple so they could understand. I find it interesting that the order of creative periods agree with the order of fossils found by geologists.

I find it intriguing that early life forms used copper based Hemocyanins to carry oxygen in the bodies of most molluscs, and some arthropods (trilobites, crabs millipedes, insects) instead of iron like we do.

Also interesting is the effects early life has had on altering the planet's atmosphere.
It is a good thing our control freaks weren't able to stop them.
I believe that "God works by natural laws, his wonders to preform." He understands them better than we do.

Comparative anatomy is really interesting, comparing skeletons of bats and cats and horses and people.

I don't believe the Bible was supposed to tell us everything.

Here are a few verses (King James Version)to puzzle over:

Genesis 2:
1 THUS the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4 ¶ These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

How long after the creation was Adam placed in the garden, and what was going on outside?

Genesis 6:
1 AND it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Obviously the Sons of God are Adam's children.
Where did the giants, men, and daughters of men come from?

As for me, I see an intelligent universe.

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Feb 5, 2014 11:25:00 GMT -5 Fossilman said:

Christianity isn't a religion,its a belief.......

Mike;

I am cornfused.

How are those two things at all different? Religion is indeed a belief and nothing more. Without belief a religion cannot exist. There is nothing more there.

If those young earthers wanna say evolution is untrue they have to ignore evidence, some of it made into jewelry.

If one wants to say religion is untrue they have nothing to ignore but the faith of millions. No evidence at all is ignored.

[jamesp]

Webster's def

be·lief noun \bə-ˈlēf\
: a feeling of being sure that someone or something exists or that something is true

: a feeling that something is good, right, or valuable

: a feeling of trust in the worth or ability of someone


re·li·gion noun \ri-ˈli-jən\
: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

: an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

: an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group