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Post by QuailRiver on Oct 1, 2016 0:06:15 GMT -5
I agree. I bought a 12" Lortone saw from the The Rock Shed a few years ago and asked if it would be possible to pay the difference and have them substitute an MK-301 blade for the MK-303 blade that normally came with the saw from the Lortone factory. The folks at The Rock Shed were very accommodating and substituted the better blade for a very reasonable fee. Item was shipped and delivered as promised.
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 30, 2016 20:41:24 GMT -5
AHHHHH!! cowboy you are quick on the draw ... hahaha. Larry - yes I posted about looking for clear "backing" material for making doublets - I'm still searching if anyone knows where to get some. Not sure I would know what to do with caps - I'm looking for thin flat clear material to glue a plume agate down on top. Sorry I couldn't remember better. What size and thickness piece/pieces are you looking for? I've got some rough clear quartz around here somewhere. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 30, 2016 20:33:24 GMT -5
Sold! Thank you Orrum! Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 30, 2016 18:00:11 GMT -5
I think it was on this site, but not sure, that I remember a while back reading where someone was looking for some clear quartz cabochon caps for making Doublet and Triplet cabochons. I ran across a stash of them this week if anyone here can use them there are a total of eight-five (85) caps being offered as one lot for $30.00 including shipping anywhere in the U.S.. These have domed and polished tops. Use a clear non-yellowing adhesive like Epoxy 330 to glue these to thin layers of opal, ammolite or any other soft or fragile material to give better wear durability for ring or bracelet stones. All are low dome cab caps unless otherwise noted. This lot contains the following: Oval Qty - Size (in mm) 6 - 6x4 8 - 8x6 10 - 10x8 4 - 14x10 6 - 14x12 4 - 18x13 3 - 20x15 4 - 25x18 4 - 12x10 (high dome) 4 - 18x13 (high dome) 3 - 25x18 (high dome) Round Qty - Size (in mm) 6 - 6mm 10 - 8mm 7 - 10mm 6 - 12mm Thanks for looking! Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 27, 2016 12:50:48 GMT -5
WOW! That Moroccan Apple Valley Jasper is stunning!!!
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 26, 2016 19:47:19 GMT -5
The faster the blade spins the more spray and mist it will create. So since this is an open saw (no hood to contain the spray and mist) I'd be inclined to stay on the lower end of the 1150-1720 recommended rpm range. And also since this saw doesn't have a powerfeed you can just adjust your gravity feed rate or hand feed rate to the chosen blade speed.
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 25, 2016 11:42:40 GMT -5
Most lapidary saws use a motor with approximately 1725 rpms. If that motor's rpm rating is in that neighborhood then yes that pulley is MUCH too large. And IMO that large open pulley is a safety hazard too. And yes you are correct in that the blade should cut on the "downward stroke". Just remount the saw and motor with the motor facing the opposite direction and that will take care of the issue of the direction of rotation of the blade. If the plate on the motor says it's 1725 rpms you'll only need to replace the blade arbor pulley and they are less than $10 at most any hardware stores. The blade on that saw looks to be an old MK-297 Criterion Blade which was the predecessor to the BD/MK-301 blade. MK recommends an rpm speed range of 1150-1720 for their 10" notched rim 301 blade. www.mkdiamond.com/lapidary/tec_speed.htmlAnd after checking your motor speed here is a link to a site with an rpm/pulley size calculator to help you determine pulley sizes needed. mgfic.com/rpm_calc.aspIf the motor on the saw is a compressor motor with a high rpm rating (like 3450 or so) then I'd recommend replacing the motor with a 1/3hp continuous-duty motor with 1725 (or close) rpm rating. If the 1/16" movement of the blade is from arbor movement then you probably need to replace the bearings. If its just wobble in the blade then the blade will probably still be usable. Just take it slow when initially starting to feed the rock into the blade. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 18, 2016 19:06:08 GMT -5
Lapidary equipment demand is greater in some areas of the country than others and that does effect the prices. But there is no question but that secondary market prices and sales are down everywhere. And not just on Lapidary equipment. My eBay new-old-stock surplus furniture and cabinet hardware sales are down to about 15-20% of what they were averaging six months ago and I have read several posts by other eBayers stating similar drops in their sales too. Markets fluctuate and I've noticed that there are drops in election years particularly.
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 15, 2016 15:30:07 GMT -5
Diamond Pacific's 303S looks to be Barranca Diamond's 303S blade. JSGemsLapidary has the best price I've seen around lately on a BD-303S 24" blade at $544. www.jsgemslapidary.com/BD-303S-24in-x-100in-x-1in-Blade/The owner of JS Gems is a member of this site and is who Shotgunner linked in his post. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 14, 2016 22:28:24 GMT -5
Another Stunning set of cabs! Are you setting any yet? There's awesome pendants and bracelets waiting to be made there!
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 13, 2016 21:24:24 GMT -5
I've never used the HP Geenline blade but .160" is a very thick kerf for a 24" lapidary blade. By comparison the 24" BD-303S blade has a .100" kerf which is almost 1/16" thinner than the HP Greenline blade. So with using the HP Greenline blade - every 4 to 5 cuts you would loose the equivalent of the thickness of another whole slab. When slicing better grade lapidary materials, especially in sizes requiring a 24" saw, that additional loss of material from the thicker blade kerf will translate into $$$ lost very quickly. But if you plan on using your 24" saw only to reduce the size of large rocks to then slab in smaller sized saws then this might not be as much of a concern.
Larry C.
P.S. Also using a .160" kerf blade versus a .100" kerf blade you will be having to clean your saw out more frequently.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 12, 2016 8:13:02 GMT -5
Those inexpensive bearings you linked being sold on Amazon are probably Chinese made. If you're interested, here's a link to a company that has some old stock U.S.A. Schatz BR9923 bearings. Which from your photos appears to be the same brand your saw originally had. www.surplusselect.com/products/up-to-8-new-schatz-commercial-radial-double-seal-bearing-5-8-id-1-3-8od-br9923And like James suggested, it would be best to have them pressed in. A good machine shop or Electric motor repair shop should have a bearing press and the proper press sleeves to use to press these bearings into the housing without risking damage. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 12, 2016 7:28:58 GMT -5
The reason I posted is I want to hear from members that use or have used hydraulic fluid in their rock saws. The Covington saw uses 19 gallons to run an 18 inch blade in addition to the 18 inch blade. I was given 3 brand new 16 inch lapidary blades, and was told by the previous owner it would take about 8 gallons more in order to run the 16 inch blades. The cost of a 30 gallons mineral oil locally would be more than a 55 gallon drum from the east coast including shipping. Additional incentive on the hydrolic fluid is I can buy it in two gallon increments. So if I were to buy 30 gallons now and needed more later I can buy it at 2 gallon increments at the regular price of approximately $20 a container. 19 gallons of oil for an 18" Covington saw? My 20" Covingtons only require 7.5 gallons. So either you have a much larger than 18" saw or the guy that told you that it takes 19 gallons was confused. Measure the distance from the center of the saw blade arbor to the bottom of your oil reservoir and see what maximum sized blade it will accommodate. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 11, 2016 3:36:26 GMT -5
Hate to ask but can I get a step by step??? In the "Totally Rock Tumbling Photos" folder under the thread entitled "Posting Pics Instructions" RTH member iant posted very easy instructions for those who use photobucket as their host server for photographs. He states: In photobucket, select the "Direct Link" option next to your chosen photo and it will copy that link. Then, in this site, in the 'create post' window, click on the insert image icon which is near the end of the various options next to the email icon. Your picture should then appear. Hope that helps Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 7, 2016 22:59:07 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I tried to find pillow block bearings to substitute on my Lortone 12" and 14" saws and never could find any with a low enough profile to match that would leave enough room for the blade not to extend deeper than the oil pan space will allow.
The problem is that there are no longer any good quality U.S.A.-made insert bearings being produced. Most are made in Asia now and are junk. The last few years Lortone has been using JIB brand bearings and when running my saws 8-10hrs a day, 5-6 days a week, I was lucky to get 4 months use out of a set before they went bad. I have searched and tried other brands and have found no new bearings that will fit these saws that I consider good quality. Even tried some expensive bearings from a French company. They were junk too (I suspect they were actually really Chinese made being sold as French). And the Mexican made bearings weren't much better. I eventually found some old stock U.S.A. bearings that I am currently using but when all the old stock is gone it's back to the Asian junk bearings.
Since good quality permanently sealed insert bearings seem impossible to find these days, IMO Lortone needs to redesign their 12" and 14" saws to accommodate better quality pillow block bearings with grease nipples. But I doubt they ever will and even if the do it won't help those of use who have the current design.
As for your problems with the power feed. Double check the coupling that joins the power feed motor shaft to the threaded power feed rod. Make sure the set screws for that coupling are very tight on both ends. And if the power feed rod turns but the vise carriage stalls when feeding then you may just need to replace the tension spring on the split nut lever.
Hope this helps.
Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Sept 6, 2016 2:17:04 GMT -5
Is there any sort of law that requires the government to allow private enterprise to do the mining? I ask because in the daily course of getting screwed by the state, I ponder ways to fight back and prevent the trip into the abyss. It occurred to me that if the BLM is able to take over enough land and forbid use as well, that the feds may take over ownership of the minerals instead of the people. This would lead to only the government mining and all people would be at the mercy of the feds if they want to have metals or other minerals. I am not really doing a very good job of explaining what I am thinking, but maybe you get it. Control of important mineral resources is the true intent of the last half-century-plus of Federal land grabs. The D.C elite never really cared about endangered field mice and desert tortoises. So it's no coincidence that the Feds want control of the land that contains most of the county's untapped coal reserves, oil shale reserves, and deposits of uranium (nuclear reactor fuel, weapons and medical applications), thorium (replacement for uranium as a nuclear reactor fuel), vanadium (used in nuclear power plants, as an additive to steel, and used in the treatment of diabetes, high-blood pressure, and heart disease), and helium (Helium is used in micro-chip and fiber optic production. Helium-3 is used to cool nuclear reactors and helium-4 has very important medical uses treating diseases, also in cryostats is used to freeze tissue during surgery, plus is also used to cool MRI machines). The first map shown at the top left corner below shows Federally controlled surface and subsurface lands and was printed 3/3/05. So this map doesn't even reflect the massive addition of 260,000,000 acres that the Obama administration has added to the total. But compare that 2005 map to the maps of important mineral deposits shown on the following maps. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Aug 30, 2016 13:56:41 GMT -5
jamespI once was using an outhouse at a private duck hunting club. The damn yellow jackets attacked me (down there). I had four stings to the nads before I could react... Damn that was a tough day of hunting. OUCH! We should all just surrender the field to Shotgunner after that one! LOL! Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Aug 30, 2016 13:40:58 GMT -5
Here are the images that the seller emailed me when I had inquired as to what phase motor the saw has. I didn't even notice at the time that this motor is a 3520 rpm motor. Those guys must have really been plowing through their concrete samples! Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Aug 30, 2016 5:30:48 GMT -5
I have been having fun doing some cabs. Although I prefer allowing the stone to determine the final shape. The next step I guess is to learn to work with silver, or should I go back a step and work with standard shapes / sizes? Nice looking group of cabs! You're doing great! As far as your question about working with standard shapes, while not a necessity, I've always been of the opinion that one will develop better skill sets if they first learn to produce and work with standard calibrated/standard shaped stones. It's the equivalent of an art student first learning to draw and paint realistically before delving into impressionism or more contemporary art styles. After mastering realism the student will be better equipped to produce whatever their imagination can envision in other styles. Sorry if that reads a bit flaky but it's the best comparison I can think of at 6:30am. Larry C.
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Post by QuailRiver on Aug 23, 2016 23:25:22 GMT -5
I've seen a few folks rig a weight and pulley system from the rafters above to the lids of large saws like this for ease of opening and safety.
Larry C.
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