Intheswamp
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Post by Intheswamp on Oct 3, 2017 9:20:26 GMT -5
He seems to fit the mold of a psychopath...or of simply being evil. As for his age, I agree that most shooters are much younger...but evil is ageless...from a child burning kittens or a mustached, greasy-haired midget putting people in gas chambers...evil is evil. So, maybe not psychotic...just pure evil.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 3, 2017 9:25:09 GMT -5
There are several reports that he was a muslim, but that doesn't mean they are true. I can wait for the facts to come out. Intheswamp I very much agree with you. We, as sane people, simply can not understand this madness. I have to tell my brother that all the time. He rages against the insanity of today's evil. I just have to remind him, that because he can not understand it, that is what makes him sane. It really doesn't matter WHY the guy did it. Really. Ultimately, all of those people were killed or injured, that's what matters. I don't want the shooter to get his soapbox or 15 minutes of fame. I don't care why he did it. He did it.
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Post by captbob on Oct 3, 2017 9:28:58 GMT -5
Whatever the case, my apologies at using the "R M" phrase here. I did not know the phrase was now frowned upon around here... Oh hell no don't apologize. You were speculating early on in the release of news from this atrocity and given recent world events with terrorist activity and killings, guessing that it may have been a "radical" muzzie was as valid a guess as any. Had this happened in Europe, I would imagine that you might have been correct. Maybe it is a good thing (if that is possible) that it was just a wacko old white guy nutjob using guns in this case. Your street variety "R M" might have thought to use a semi truck - which probably would have ended in a much higher body count.
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Post by captbob on Oct 3, 2017 10:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by aDave on Oct 3, 2017 11:13:28 GMT -5
This would be true. Please, no political discussion here. It's not the time or place. There are too many unanswered questions to even start a dialogue. This hasn't kept the left from doing so, but I'm hoping that cooler heads will prevail here. Dave Should we go by your words or your actions? Sometimes that can be a little fuzzy. Jim Jim, shouldn't be fuzzy at all. I'll simply point to the subject matter in the article that captbob linked as an example of the mess already starting - could also point to tweets from certain politicians. So far it's been a solemn discussion here without devolving into the banter that's been already started elsewhere. That's all I was hoping for. Dave
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 3, 2017 11:19:54 GMT -5
Yes, the bickering about gun control can come after we bury the dead and heal the wounds. Some respect is in order.
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Wooferhound
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Post by Wooferhound on Oct 3, 2017 13:53:46 GMT -5
Gun Control ? Every weapon he had was illegal, almost everything about what he did was illegal. What are we going to do ... make it even more illegal?
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fishnpinball
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Post by fishnpinball on Oct 3, 2017 14:28:56 GMT -5
I have an issue with the way the news has been covering stories like this for the last 20 years or so. Because new information does not come out every 5 minutes and they are trying to fill 24 hours, they spend an immense amount of time on speculation. They don't even have enough facts to speculate but that does not stop them from finding experts to run their mouths for money. The other thing I have an issue with is the press getting way to intrusive in victims and their families. They reported there are no political or religious ties. That comes from a quick search into what they can find on line and an interview with the brother whom is not very close to the perpetrator. The fact that you have to research anything you read on line or in the news is getting really old. I saw a report that the gunfire was by the CIA and came from a different part of the building. Of course we all know the CIA now has guns that can shoot through windows without breaking them. Another one that said he wasn't the shooter, someone else was in the room. If so the review of security cameras in the hotel will show it. I have also seen a picture that might have showed him in a pink hat in an antiTrump rally in Reno. Just saying that you need more than that for proof. Pictures can be altered and almost everyone has doppelgangers. Let the investigation take the time necessary to see if they can find evidence of what he was thinking. A case where someone is yelling Allah Akhbar is easy to see ties. I find it funny they try to disavow them in some of those cases and yet are speculating here where the evidence is going to take time to process.
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Post by wampidytoo on Oct 3, 2017 15:04:32 GMT -5
I have an issue with the way the news has been covering stories like this for the last 20 years or so. Because new information does not come out every 5 minutes and they are trying to fill 24 hours, they spend an immense amount of time on speculation. They don't even have enough facts to speculate but that does not stop them from finding experts to run their mouths for money. The other thing I have an issue with is the press getting way to intrusive in victims and their families. They reported there are no political or religious ties. That comes from a quick search into what they can find on line and an interview with the brother whom is not very close to the perpetrator. The fact that you have to research anything you read on line or in the news is getting really old. I saw a report that the gunfire was by the CIA and came from a different part of the building. Of course we all know the CIA now has guns that can shoot through windows without breaking them. Another one that said he wasn't the shooter, someone else was in the room. If so the review of security cameras in the hotel will show it. I have also seen a picture that might have showed him in a pink hat in an antiTrump rally in Reno. Just saying that you need more than that for proof. Pictures can be altered and almost everyone has doppelgangers. Let the investigation take the time necessary to see if they can find evidence of what he was thinking. A case where someone is yelling Allah Akhbar is easy to see ties. I find it funny they try to disavow them in some of those cases and yet are speculating here where the evidence is going to take time to process. One good thing I learned when I was in China is that they do not sensationalize anything to keep the copy cats and rumor dogs at bay. Replaying all of this over and over before there are any facts just makes the situation worse. Everybody knows about it now so they should just shut it off and wait for the facts to come out and the grieving to ease up a little.The victims, survivors and families can not do anything without seeing, hearing or being questioned about it. Jim
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fishnpinball
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Post by fishnpinball on Oct 3, 2017 15:22:23 GMT -5
One good thing I learned when I was in China is that they do not sensationalize anything to keep the copy cats and rumor dogs at bay. Replaying all of this over and over before there are any facts just makes the situation worse. Everybody knows about it now so they should just shut it off and wait for the facts to come out and the grieving to ease up a little.The victims, survivors and families can not do anything without seeing, hearing or being questioned about it. Jim I don't know that I would hold China up as a bastion of free speech, but I also know where you are coming from. There is a real issue with the news in this country trying to sensationalize everything to get higher ratings to get advertiser's money. I think the answer is the consumer needs to stop watching until they ratchet it down. Unfortunately, it probably won't happen. I haven't watched TV in years. I find it hilarious that people with cable pay to have a hundred channels, actually watch 2 or 3 and complain there is nothing to watch on.
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Post by captbob on Oct 3, 2017 16:17:32 GMT -5
I don't know that I would hold China up as a bastion of free speech, That is funny! I find it hilarious that people with cable pay to have a hundred channels, actually watch 2 or 3 and complain there is nothing to watch on. In most cases, ya gotta take what they give ya. I can't get my (few) channels without having cable. My wife can't get her (few) channels without having cable. Neither of us want the hundreds of channels that we don't ever watch, and I sure would rather not pay for them. Getting cable TV and being able to order only the channels one wants is just a fairy tale in most places. Cable companies would lose too much money and many channels would go out of business is cable customers could order channels ala carte. ETA: how's that for thread drift!
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 3, 2017 16:41:31 GMT -5
I agree with y'all about the news. I have seen every take on it today. Pick your poison. I just saw where it looks like the guy left a note. I hope he did. It will end the speculation, rumors and conspiracy theories.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 3, 2017 16:42:39 GMT -5
ETA: how's that for thread drift! Gotta say, I've seen worse, but that one was pretty quick.
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Post by captbob on Oct 3, 2017 16:43:48 GMT -5
I can post a picture of him dead for ya! Probably shouldn't... it's kinda messy ETA: from the pic, I'd say he put a hand gun in his mouth and ... well, ya know.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 3, 2017 16:58:29 GMT -5
I can post a picture of him dead for ya! Probably shouldn't... it's kinda messy ETA: from the pic, I'd say he put a hand gun in his mouth and ... well, ya know. No thanks. I saw an article that had the picture, but they didn't show his head. I'm totally not into seeing that stuff. Gives me a stomach ache. My BIL was a paramedic and nothing bothers him. He even watched the beheading vids. I could never do that.
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Post by captbob on Oct 3, 2017 17:04:01 GMT -5
I watched ONE beheading video. The kind with a knife, not a sword. Sword would probably be much easier. That was enough to get me to hate them ISIS scumbags as much as I need to.
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 3, 2017 17:27:50 GMT -5
There are several reports that he was a muslim, but that doesn't mean they are true. I can wait for the facts to come out. Intheswamp I very much agree with you. We, as sane people, simply can not understand this madness. I have to tell my brother that all the time. He rages against the insanity of today's evil. I just have to remind him, that because he can not understand it, that is what makes him sane. It really doesn't matter WHY the guy did it. Really. Ultimately, all of those people were killed or injured, that's what matters. I don't want the shooter to get his soapbox or 15 minutes of fame. I don't care why he did it. He did it. Yes jumping to the muslim conclusion automatically is so stupid. But this seems to be the case every time some attack or mass killing occurs. Same happened a few years ago when that lady ran her car over the sidewalk killing some tourists here. Rumors immediately started that she was muslim. There are so many reasons he made have done this. Even a brain tumor or TIAs can alter someone's personality and make them do things they would not other wise have done. There could have been mental illness he wa able to hide from people. Again it could have been a lot of things. To turn this in to a religion thing with no evidence is akin to racism and is just WRONG!!!!
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 3, 2017 17:30:36 GMT -5
Gun Control ? Every weapon he had was illegal, almost everything about what he did was illegal. What are we going to do ... make it even more illegal? From what I am hearing all the weapons may have been legal. They are saying the rifles were legal semi-automatic weapons that had an added attachment to allow faster firing like an illegal automatic weapon. And the attachment is legal as well.
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 3, 2017 17:41:02 GMT -5
I have an issue with the way the news has been covering stories like this for the last 20 years or so. Because new information does not come out every 5 minutes and they are trying to fill 24 hours, they spend an immense amount of time on speculation. They don't even have enough facts to speculate but that does not stop them from finding experts to run their mouths for money. The other thing I have an issue with is the press getting way to intrusive in victims and their families. They reported there are no political or religious ties. That comes from a quick search into what they can find on line and an interview with the brother whom is not very close to the perpetrator. The fact that you have to research anything you read on line or in the news is getting really old. I saw a report that the gunfire was by the CIA and came from a different part of the building. Of course we all know the CIA now has guns that can shoot through windows without breaking them. Another one that said he wasn't the shooter, someone else was in the room. If so the review of security cameras in the hotel will show it. I have also seen a picture that might have showed him in a pink hat in an antiTrump rally in Reno. Just saying that you need more than that for proof. Pictures can be altered and almost everyone has doppelgangers. Let the investigation take the time necessary to see if they can find evidence of what he was thinking. A case where someone is yelling Allah Akhbar is easy to see ties. I find it funny they try to disavow them in some of those cases and yet are speculating here where the evidence is going to take time to process. I agree, it is like when there is a plane crash. The media does 24 hour coverage with no facts so they have to fill all that time with speculation. And this just feeds the conspiracy hypotheses, especially on social media. And it has to be hard on the families of victims. Not knowing is always hard and all the speculation just compounds this. There is also the issue of viewer fatigue. How does 24 hour coverage of something so negative affect people mentally? And all this only shows other people that if you want more than 15 minutes of fame.......... The media needs to learn to move on. There is more going on in the world that this shooting. Why don't you report on these things and if something comes up that has been proven, not speculation, then run a story on it. The one thing that I think they have done right is that the have rarely mentioned the shooter by name and they have been focusing on the pics of the victims and who they were. On the other hand all this coverage and speculation is exposing the shooter's family at risk with all this media coverage. Family members are now getting death threats. People need to wake up, the family members did not do the shooting.
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Post by adam on Oct 4, 2017 6:40:49 GMT -5
meviva, I believe that the shooter had his reason...it's just that us normal people cannot understand the twisted, evil logic that these psychos use to justify what they do. Well, if you have been living life as a psycho and a screw gets loose in your head and you think that the only way for there to be justice for your shitty life is to kill as many people as you can, then kill yourself if you don't want to deal with the cops. Then a psycho will kill as many as they can, without hesitation.
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