Intheswamp
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Post by Intheswamp on Oct 4, 2017 7:38:02 GMT -5
You know the mind of a psycho?
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Post by Sabre52 on Oct 4, 2017 8:16:22 GMT -5
Actually seems like he had a pretty nice, comfortable life. Something else going on here. Even psychotic breaks usually occur in a young man. ( late teens through 20's) Unusual in an older guy. Very weird case here and I hope they figure it out because, considering the obvious level of preparation and planning, I think this is an interesting puzzle.....Mel
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Post by Garage Rocker on Oct 4, 2017 9:17:48 GMT -5
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Intheswamp
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Post by Intheswamp on Oct 4, 2017 9:18:17 GMT -5
It sure seems like he had it made, Mel. Multi-millionaire with no apparent financial concerns...something most of us would definitely appreciate. I agree, very weird/strange...or simply insane. Like I said earlier, he had a reason, but one that isn't understandable by sane people. Certainly he had no compassion or care for his fellow man or woman...no empathy at all in regards to their dreams, family love, futures, lives. Cold and calculated without a conscience.
Eventually the "experts" will decide the shooter's reason was that he had a grievance against "XYZ" and he had an agenda of "ABC". You, me, and everybody else has a grievance of some kind and have an agenda that runs counter to someone else's agenda. But, 99.99999999999999999999999999999% of us don't resort to mass murdering of folks we don't know (or folks we do know, for that matter) to state our grievances and promote our agenda. In this situation how in the hell does this atrocity promote his agenda??? It seems that if his "cause" or whatever is ever known that this will only harm that "cause". No logic in it...just madness.
About the only way I figure we'll ever come close to the "why" of this is if the authorities find a manifesto or something where he details his plans and reasoning, ever how bizarre that reasoning is. But, even that won't let us understand the logic of the shooters thinking...we're not wired that way.
You're right about the age-issue. I found one site that stated the average age was 34.....66 years old is an anomaly.
I looked through some photos of the victims this morning with short bios beneath the photos. Just regular folks you'd meet at the cafe, at work, at church, just regular folks making the best of the lives they had. Lots of sadness and misery from the actions of one disgustingly evil heartless being.
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Post by captbob on Oct 4, 2017 9:35:41 GMT -5
900 rounds is just a good afternoon of shooting. Especially with automatic weapons, 900 rounds would go pretty fast. BUT, " the automatic weapons, which weren't registered and lack serial numbers. He told The Johnson City Press that Edmisten also had modified the AR rifles to make them automatics." is probably gonna be sending this guy to prison. That's just full on stupid right there!
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Post by captbob on Oct 4, 2017 9:54:25 GMT -5
I was thinkin'... maybe it's too soon for such decisions, but I bet some at the Mandalay Bay hotel are thinking on this.
What are they going to do with that hotel room? No way they can rent it out ever again. Who would stay in that room?
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Post by Intheswamp on Oct 4, 2017 13:17:16 GMT -5
I was thinkin'... maybe it's too soon for such decisions, but I bet some at the Mandalay Bay hotel are thinking on this. What are they going to do with that hotel room? No way they can rent it out ever again. Who would stay in that room?Creeps.
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Post by parfive on Oct 4, 2017 15:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Oct 4, 2017 15:53:34 GMT -5
Express my sincere condolences, once again
My heart is seriously broken over recent events
And Troubled,
that at end of my productive existence to see things in such disarray
I pray the good lord for answers, for comfort
And Wonder
how much my attitude, my generation, is responsible?
Peace
Ed
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Post by MrMike on Oct 4, 2017 17:14:22 GMT -5
There are lots of guys that are "into" guns & ammunition. Thankfully the majority of them are sane. We'll never know what this guy was up to unless he talks. Scary stuff.
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Post by Intheswamp on Oct 4, 2017 17:22:11 GMT -5
Hmm, I've seen a few articles about the shooter being prescribed valium and that valium can cause viloence in some people...the articles likened it to how some people go to sleep when they start drinking and some people get mean and want to fight. I guess if you throw that in with someone walking a thin pane of sanity their could (not saying it was) an issue. So this guy's doctor prescribes the shooter some anxiety pills and rather than getting mellowed out this guy gets wound up tighter and tighter and tighter. Interesting theory. So some doctor is standing their with the deer-in-the-headlight-look as a swat team is descending upon him... <sigh>
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 4, 2017 17:34:41 GMT -5
I was thinkin'... maybe it's too soon for such decisions, but I bet some at the Mandalay Bay hotel are thinking on this. What are they going to do with that hotel room? No way they can rent it out ever again. Who would stay in that room? There are always people attracted to death. We had a suicide out here one time where someone jumped by the dam spillway. We happened to be out there a day or two after and I heard a lady saying "where's the blood, i don't see any blood?". How may people will gather around to see a jumper jump and sometimes even encourage them? How many people will come to gawk at the bodies where people have been killed?
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 4, 2017 17:39:07 GMT -5
Hmm, I've seen a few articles about the shooter being prescribed valium and that valium can cause viloence in some people...the articles likened it to how some people go to sleep when they start drinking and some people get mean and want to fight. I guess if you throw that in with someone walking a thin pane of sanity their could (not saying it was) an issue. So this guy's doctor prescribes the shooter some anxiety pills and rather than getting mellowed out this guy gets wound up tighter and tighter and tighter. Interesting theory. So some doctor is standing their with the deer-in-the-headlight-look as a swat team is descending upon him... <sigh> Good point. Would be interesting to know what meds he was on. Many drugs can definitely alter personality. Antidepressants can actually cause suicidal depression even in adults when they first start them. Testosterone and progesterone cause hyperaggression and progesterone can also cause severe depression. NSAIDs like ibuprofen can cause depression.........
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Post by spiritstone on Oct 4, 2017 17:56:43 GMT -5
Couple questions for ya, whats up with the various vids showing muzzle flash from the forth floor. True or something not being disclosed to us northerners. Might there be more then one shooter involved? The bugger killed 3 women from Alberta and wounded two others. 10 in total from Canada were shot.
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Post by captbob on Oct 4, 2017 18:00:52 GMT -5
The "flashes" from the lower floor were probably reflections of either strobe lights or the like from the concert area or an emergency vehicle. No windows broken out down there and the windows can't be opened.
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 4, 2017 18:22:09 GMT -5
Couple questions for ya, whats up with the various vids showing muzzle flash from the forth floor. True or something not being disclosed to us northerners. Might there be more then one shooter involved? The bugger killed 3 women from Alberta and wounded two others. 10 in total from Canada were shot. There were initial reports that there may be a second shooter based on witness reports. But the sounds of gunfire fro different directions was determined to be echoing off of the other buildings. And how can there be muzzle flashes when the windows are not broke? Unfortunately the conspiracy hypotheses are still going to fly.
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Post by spiritstone on Oct 4, 2017 18:36:43 GMT -5
Couple questions for ya, whats up with the various vids showing muzzle flash from the forth floor. True or something not being disclosed to us northerners. Might there be more then one shooter involved? The bugger killed 3 women from Alberta and wounded two others. 10 in total from Canada were shot. There were initial reports that there may be a second shooter based on witness reports. But the sounds of gunfire fro different directions was determined to be echoing off of the other buildings. And how can there be muzzle flashes when the windows are not broke? Unfortunately the conspiracy hypotheses are still going to fly. Re-watched the vid and it's is some kind of strobe flashing on a closed window, didn't know the windows never opened. The gunfire sound is also echoing from the various buildings around the cab driver who had the vid posted.
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 4, 2017 18:47:45 GMT -5
There were initial reports that there may be a second shooter based on witness reports. But the sounds of gunfire fro different directions was determined to be echoing off of the other buildings. And how can there be muzzle flashes when the windows are not broke? Unfortunately the conspiracy hypotheses are still going to fly. Re-watched the vid and it's is some kind of strobe flashing on a closed window, didn't know the windows never opened. The gunfire sound is also echoing from the various buildings around the cab driver who had the vid posted. Yes, all casino hotel windows are sealed shut unless the room has a balcony. Not good publicity when someone comes here, loses all their money then jumps from their hotel room.
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Post by vegasjames on Oct 4, 2017 18:52:09 GMT -5
There were several comments made about the shooter targeting a country concert and political affiliation. So it needs to be pointed out that this was not the first target the shooter looked out. It came out that he actually first tried to get rooms overlooking the concerts at the Life is Beautiful Festival, including Chance the Rapper. The rooms he wanted overlooking the concerts were not available though. So he moved on to another target. Had nothing to do with political affiliation as the rumors started have stated.
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Post by aDave on Oct 4, 2017 19:01:28 GMT -5
There were several comments made about the shooter targeting a country concert and political affiliation. So it needs to be pointed out that this was not the first target the shooter looked out. It came out that he actually first tried to get rooms overlooking the concerts at the Life is Beautiful Festival, including Chance the Rapper. The rooms he wanted overlooking the concerts were not available though. So he moved on to another target. Had nothing to do with political affiliation as the rumors started have stated. Link about the alternate targets? (Yep, I'll be going to Google) That might be the case, but I was told of notes that were in the room that specifically dealt with this incident. Granted, the fact this shooting may have been diagrammed doesn't dispel what you just wrote about. So far, the most telling info is his use of diazepam, if that's correct. Another shooter on some sort of medication with questionable side effects? I'll hold my opinion for another thread. Just want to see info in this one. Dave
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